here's one , it's not good looking.
Ahhh aeroplanes, my first love ! an industry I trained for and which governments destroyed.
UPDATE another with a link to the first.
a clue that will help, (but not much).
UPDATE another with a link to the first.
a clue that will help, (but not much).
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It looks very much like a Lysander. Perhaps an early version?
Here's one:
http://tinyurl.com/4jmkbg
I think it would have to be a very early version - perhaps a prototype?
The arse end doesn't quite look right, and the mainplane has a different shape. But things change a lot between early versions and final combat versions. Compare e.g. the difference between the P 1127 and the final Harrier; or the Lightning P1 and the combat version.
As you already know, I'm a former Halton Brat ... so I too am interested in this sort of stuff.
no not the Lysander ( did my apprenticeship with the makers of that one )
I'll give one cryptic clue on this one
You will have to get in the mood to recognise it.
There that's buggered your evening :-)
It did start shaping up to fuck up my entire night - then I cheated.
The whole world loves a smartass. I orter kno
A brief history of each individual Norseman
2456 CF-BTC
Delivered to the RCAF on September 13, 1940 as aircraft No. 2456 and assigned to No. 3 Training Command. On January 29, 1941 it was involved in a Category “B” crash at St. Hubert, Quebec. Repaired by Noorduyn Aviation and on August 9, 1941, it was assigned to No. 1 Training Command where it was placed in Reserve Storage. Transferred to No. 4 Wireless School on September 2, 1941. While there, it was involved in two Category “C” accidents at Burtch Airfield. Sent to Noorduyn Aviation for repairs on January 5, 1945 and returned to No. 1 Training Command on June 28, 1945 where it was placed in Reserve Storage. Transferred to War Assets Corporation for disposal on January 8, 1946 and sold to Western Aircraft Ltd., Oshawa, Ontario. Bought by Thunder Bay Airlines, Fort William, Ontario, and registered February 1, 1946 as CF-BTC. On January 27, 1948 it was registered to Central Northern Airways, Winnipeg, Manitoba. Re-registered to Transair Ltd., St. James, Manitoba in 1956 when Central Northern and Arctic Wings merged to become Transair. On October 9, 1958 it was registered to Northland Fish Ltd., Winnipeg, Manitoba, and then on September 3, 1959 to A.W. Laserich, Hay River, NWT. Registered to Menzies Fish Company, Edmonton, Alberta, on June 27, 1962, and then again to A.W. Laserich on September 25, 1962. Next registered to Cecilie Stevens, Yellowknife, NWT, on June 14, 1968, and then on April 7, 1978, to C & M Airways, Buffalo Narrows, Saskatchewan. Again registered to Cecilie Stevens July 13, 1978. In 1982 it was registered to Randair, Ft. McMurray, Alberta, and on June 1, 1984 to Cecilie Palmer, Cold Lake, Alberta. Registered to David Holosney, Edmonton, Alberta on April 21, 1992, and then to Randy Daoust, Edmonton on June 30, 1992. Damaged on July 12, 1992, when clear air turbulence was encountered and an area of fabric separated from the right wing. The aircraft was landed safely at Cree Lake, Saskatchewan. Temporary repairs were made by Red Lake Seaplane Service and the aircraft ferried to Red Lake for permanent repair. Sold to J.W. Hostetler and registered to him on November 18, 1992. In 1998 it was acquired by the Western Canada Aviation Museum, Winnipeg, Manitoba where it awaits restoration.
Here it is
http://tinyurl.com/4l2kve
so you didn't use the clue ?, I suggested to Theo that he takes off the serials to stop smartarses using google.... new challenge then, the relevance of the clue ?
Mood - berserk
Berserker
Viking
Norseman
The clue was driving me mental - the only thing I could think of connected to Canada was "Canadian Pacific" - pacific.
That'd be like calling a military plane the B.Ae. Bliss or something.
So I cheated - used google image search rather than just google - typed in 'aircraft registration number 2456' - page 1.
why Canada ?
american patrol maybe?
there, that should deprive you of some sleep.
I don't know why Canada. It just came to mind. Maybe I've seen one of those cabs before and it triggered something?
And pacific was one of the moods I thought of - and that just immediately got Canadian lodged onto it (the song).
Must admit - berserk was not a mood I thought of. I thought of angry. My berserker rationalisation above is reverse engineered.
Time to relent,
Canadian aircraft but made under licence in US also.
american
"in the mood"
"american patrol"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arqLPrSlNZQ
there is a connection.
And he was flying in a Norseman when he disappeared.
http://tinyurl.com/4mwrqd
I was familiar with that music - didn't know it was called American Patrol though.
Strange how my (post event) rationalisation of your clue, and yours behind devising that clue, are so different yet arrive at the same place.
In the mood.
Interesting.
The 2nd aircraft appears to be a basic trainer design (raised rear cockpit for improved visibility) from about the mid thirties judging by the compression struts from the fuselage to wings and the fabric covered wings aft of the mainspair (very like the Whitley and Ensign). The tail end is rather Lysanderish or Brewster Buffalo-like in shape. I think that the aircraft wasn't taken to prototype stage because the drawing office of the British company had higher priority work and so the Harvard was ordered instead. But the connection with Norseman? Viking? I'm stumped.
Blimey, I thought Reuben finished plane making with the Fawn. This design was built in some numbers(although the rear canopy was improved). Not a patch on that great Canadian trainer the DHC-1 Chipmunk. As a clue to other spotters, a page on the type is tucked away on the Nanton Lancaster Society website.
brian, ( nice film about your life by the way),
From a book I have, in addition to ...Battle and Harvard II... in service...some 200 .......on order.
Provision made for metal floats
your earlier comment.....compression struts from the fuselage to wings.
maybe tension members for negative g situations ?
Yup, that's the thing about those struts, neither one thing nor another. I meant to delete compression.
"Provision made for metal floats" - ideal for emergency landings on lakes when the engine seizes up because of the continuous high power setting needed to counter the drag of the floats.
btw how's the fishing in Swanage? I used to catch mackerel and gar on light float tackle from the end of the pier - great sport and tasty.
I've also fished off Peveril Point (wrasse and bass) (which can be seen in thefamous and poignant picture of the Westland Eagle Wyvern with Swanage Bay in the background).
Totally off topic but do you remember Gerry Randles of San Gina?
Back on topic, here's a clue:
http://listeningblogger.blogspot.com/2008/07/somethingfishy-quiz-clue.html
brian, no such thing as being off-topic here we are playing to my rules, anyone and everyone welcome !
Don't recall the name although I do know Tom who now has San Gina, along with San Gina II.
Fishing is total pooh at the moment, too rough and windy..... hence me spending time at the keyboard.
gallimaufry, thought you were going to stop blogging ?....that would be a shame. Blogging needs a few small independent family firms to go and give the 'stars' a hoof up the cleft from time to time !
haddock, I remembered a bit of advice "only respect the opinions of people you respect". Having read the kind comments on my valedictory post and because the world got markedly crappier since I stopped (so much for the influence of the elephants in the blogosphere) I've started again. I just hope the black dog keeps off the sofa. Thanks for the support.
It's a Fleet Fort, and it did get beyond the design stage - 101 were built.
Buggered if I can work out any connection with the Noorduyn Norseman though, other than both were RCAF training Command aircraft (amongst other things for the Norseman). They definitely didn't have the same engine.
" provision made for metal floats"
Suppose there could be a connection there because the Norseman had provision for both wheels and floats (and skis).
But I can't honestly say I know of a connection.
Is the connection that they were both designed and made by Canadian companies?
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